The Discussion started with
"What Do You Do When Good Medications Go Bad"
To Dr John Quintner Medical
Scientists Perth Australia
you have decided once again to
use this interesting discussion to attack Talking Cures. with his
continual argument The Mind and Body are separate whilst Talking
Cures always discusses they are interdependent and interrelated.
And in doing so admirable demonstrates
Medical Science at its best in whittling down from many items
(symptoms of ill health) so big it cannot makes sense of them, to
an item so small it can be found in the dictionary with this
vexatious (unnecessarily nasty) comment; "don't fool yourself that
you have solved the mystery we call Pain." Now we have it clearly
described; all of the different names of Pain are just to hide up
what the dedicated Doctors as agents for medical science cannot
create a cure!
Medical Science through their dedicated agents - Doctors, working
with terrible tools techniques and understandings for decades now
have sought to dismiss all other methods of treatments as quackery
this is seen as they have had their day and had their way all
because their inability to see my colleagues all over the world -
the silent unsung hero's of medicine other than so called main
stream - ONLY seek to sort out the mess - Multiple drugs with
Multiple Mysterious Symptoms - Medical Science leaves people in
following often many decades of failed scientifically proven
treatments which in reality may well be seen as the most severe
form of QUACKERY...When our dedicated Doctors are only able to
treat one symptom at a time with one modality of treatment; all
other forms of medicine treats people not a list of symptoms.
"The Mind and Body are separate as described by Rene Descartes
before his death in 1650 and Talking Cures argues this was then
and is still not correct. Bringing about "Its all in the Mind"
when the Body hurts or is ill, just to hide up the fact medical
Science then as now knows so little when it comes to "why we get
ill and why we do not get well."
Rene Descartes is perhaps best known
for the philosophical statement
ergo sum" (French: Je
pense, donc je suis;
English: I think, therefore I am.
Sigh; if only he were then and later Medical Scientists able to
comprehend this revelation?
TO: John Quintner Perth Australia - Fibromyalgia Medical
As self appointed spokesman for the Medical Scientists Industry.
Having time and time again demeaned
Talking Cures yet at the same time unable to explain your own
specialty and create a cure, you are hereby publicly challenged to
prove your Medical Science is right by putting up your Medical
Science in response to this challenge or Shutting up.
• Peter your
'In all of the Thirty Years, although I
may say "I have cured many people of these medical mysteries,"
the truth is I have never cured any one of anything,
I have done is shown them why
their immune systems although running perfectly - as per the
instructions which caused the very illness or pain, which is
treatment resistant - only because the
Mind instructs it to be so.'
Peter, with the greatest respect
I suggest you are espousing rather simplistic body/mind dualistic
Wear your badge proudly if you must but don't fool yourself that
you have solved the mystery we call pain. In a subtle way, you are
blaming the sufferer for his/her pain. I have not mentioned the
many insults you have thrown out to those of us who come under
your label "medical science".
Dear John Quintner
Thank you for your comments, sadly I wish I could agree by
capitulating to your admirable defence of Medical Science, but I
cannot and if but only they were my words “showing up the
stupidity of Medial Science.“ They are not. This is carried out
admirable by Medical Scientists in almost every Scientifically
proven papers it publishes.
Scientific Medicine are the ones fooling themselves into believing
they have anything of any real value, let alone an understanding
the cause or cures for anything, let alone Pain. Someone has to
solve the simple Puzzle; it is not a Rubik Cube!
And it is the stupidity of you and your supporters John Quintner
Medical Scientist Perth Australia and anyone within the whole
medical profession who still supports this outdated and absolutely
wrong understanding of the way the Mind and Body works by
“Espousing” Dualism. In Queens English this means being married to
the belief the Mind and Body are separate.
There is not one Gold Standard Scientifically Proven Treatment in
the World where the cause is truly known and a cure been found, as
well you know. We have long debated this point and I have many
times requested from you at least One demonstration "I am wrong."
Sadly this has never come, not from you nor anyone else.
Please rest assured I am not only active on LinkedIn, still the
answer does not come. leaving me to believe there is not one cure
for any illness? There’s Scientifically Proven for You.”
Someone has to have the courage as well as better answers - as
none have come forward, despite the Millions of Hours and
resultant papers to demonstrate they have, yet all protest they
are looking avidly for the cause as well as the cure.
Someone who can; has to hold a mirror up in front of our Medical
Researchers for them not only to look at what they are doing, but
also look rearward to see the extremely long line of failures
behind them. This may as well be me and Talking Cures.
Surely John, the simple fact you and others - and many have tried
- have only strengthened my resolve rather than the object to
weaken or destroy, this sad act - which threatens to expose how
little Medical Science really knows - has only brought misery to
all researchers looking for the secret code and blinded them to
the obvious, to which I give thanks to my many forbears and
despite more attempts than you could muster; have had the wisdom,
ingenuity and integrity to see the need and create a treatment
regime to suit.
The same applies even if there are no other treatments which know
the cause and have cures, it is time to start again if this is the
case? Currently there are too many millions of people with Long
Term illness not cured or made worse without the knowledge as to
why and more important how to change this.
How have I done this by recognising Rene Descartes was wrong and
anyone who did or still does follow his dualistic approach is more
wrong than he, for it is 2012 and Medical Scientist, have the
scientific Proof, or so they say. ..
There is nothing subtle about my message and I will repeat it here
just for you.
All illness which includes "Pain" - and there are no exceptions -
are caused by emotional trauma occasioned on Children - even
children within the womb - by those who are supposed to love
nurture and cherish them.
And yes WE as children create as a result of this abuse - to keep
to your point "Pain" it does not require to be any more complex
than this - as an Automatic response to the said abuse.
There is no way anyone with the slightest modicum of intelligence
could mistake this as blaming the person for causing Pain as a
Only Doctors as Agents of Medical Science, say, because they have
no better answers "It is all in your Mind." These words are not
only not subtle they are highly creative of new and mysterious
symptoms; designed automatically by the subconscious Mind to
confuse anyone who does not have a clue what they are talking
about or doing.
We all have a lot to learn and a lot to
teach and medical science is going to learn from Talking Cures or
perish by their own hand.
If as a Medical Researcher I had Spent many years studying Pain
and with many peer reviews and many papers to review and base my
finding on and I still did not know the cause and still had no
cures, I would be wanting to throw in the towel, as all I would
have achieved is the ability to seriously and irrevocable insult
not only myself, but the whole of my profession.
Yet if a medical researcher or their agent Doctors could create a
cure even in the surgery let alone via Skype his/her peers and
colleges would be screaming for a UK Knighthood for services to
Mankind or at the very least a Noble Prize or the very worst an
American Congressional Medal of Honour.
For many years now all Talking Cures has had to suffer is abuse
and put downs - and not only do I love it; I have manufactured and
promoted it over these years and thanks to Rene Descartes, Charles
Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Anton Mesmer, Galen - and many others - who
were all wrong in their assertions, I have the strength to fend
off all - who stupidly try to suppress.
Moussa B.H. Youdim (Technion - Israel
Institute of Technology) when talking about Parkinson’s -
yet linked this premise to all other neurodegenerative disease -
said; in an Interview “At present the treatments we have only are
SYMPTOMATIC TO TREAT THE SYMPTOMS BUT
NOT THE DISEASE AND ARE NOT DISEASE MODIFYING DRUGS TO CURE DOWN
THE PROGRESSION OF THE DISEASE.
There’s Medical Science straight
from the Horse’s Mouth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZV_jtbWeF4
When Medical Science is able as Talking Cures alter and know how
the Body’s Chemical balance is being re balanced to allow the
immune system to work at an improved rate to replicate the Body to
the resolve the presenting symptoms, without the requirement to
prescribe or suggest alteration to the Persons Medical Regime or
use any form of preparation (Vitamins-Herbs), Automatically - then
Medical Science can criticise Talking Cures, until such times it
may well be better of remembering; they are Just Doctors in
Question is John; are you or anyone else up for a challenge or
dare you, or do you even have the courage to prove you/they have
the Scientific Proof and are right and Talking Cures wrong.
TIME TO PUT THIS DUALISTIC - separation of
Mind from Body - APPROACH IN ITS GRAVE AND FOR ALL PROPONENTS TO
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
You only have to say the word John Quintner; the Rules of
Engagement papers are ready for publishing on Talking Cures web
site as well as Linked In and Twitter. If you do not say the word
I will publish then anyway.
Failure to rise to this
challenge will along with all of your postings and writings; must
be considered by all as just Peacock Style vexatious buffoonery in
the vein hope the challenger will go away, this pathetic reasoning
may well have worked for many generations BUT NOT THIS TIME.
Keep up the argument John I love it.
Any reader is free to post this anywhere.
Peter Smith Talking Cures
Chronic Pain Management Support Linked In
Dr Stephen Grinstead.
Discusses what to do when
opiate medication management starts becoming more of a problem
than a solution.
Sometimes when people are taking opiate medication for years or
more they can easily start having different problems. One of the
problems with opiates is many people start developing a
It is not the opiates or any other
medication which is the problem. "Ever," it is what caused the
Pain in the first place and that is nothing to do with Pain
whatsoever, it is a process of the Mind following childhood
emotional unresolved trauma and nothing else.
Dr. Stephen Grinstead
I know you keep saying this and in
some ways I agree.
However, there are some people who need physical symptom relief
in order to learn to address underlying psychological problems.
I think it is not always the case that it's the Mind following
childhood emotional unresolved trauma.
In some cases yes. I don't believe there is any "ONE" answer
about this. We are all different.
Also, at times yes it is the medication that's causing the Pain
problems--Opiate Induced Hyperalgesia.
Many thanks for your response and
comments which are appreciated and respected.
I cannot agree with you more when you talk about people needing
relief from their symptoms via some form of medication, the very
reason why I only ever encourage people I treat to continue with
ALL of their most dedicated Doctors advice and never interfere
with any medications.
Talking Cures is best seen as in addition to ALL forms of
treatment and never Alternative or even Complimentary - a point
the Medical Profession may well be advised to adopt?
For thirty Five years now the only treatments I have ever given
to people are at the end of a very long trail of previously
treated and never successfully treated symptoms. Thus all are
considered as Medical Mysteries and Medical Failures.
I am still today unable to find any other therapist or
therapeutic application with the technical ability of treating
not only as many symptoms as a person is able to present within
the one treatment regime, but more importantly treat Dormant yet
Highly Active Symptoms waiting to be triggered out by yet
another treatment, which is only symptom management and not
disease modifying, or only treats the symptoms and not the
emotional or negative thought process cause.
Yes I am guilty of Keep saying the same thing; as a badge -
despite many times being ignored or stifled - I wear with
absolute Honour. This is because I have solved the illness code
and have no other place to go.
Because all I hear of read is; we do not know what the cause is,
there is no cure and drugs as your much needed conversation
stated "When drugs go bad." Even with our most dedicated medical
professionals who millions of people turn to for relief - many
suffer in the same way.
In all of the Thirty Five Years, although I may say "I have
cured many people of these medical mysteries," the truth is I
have never cured any one of anything, what I have done is shown
them why their immune systems although running perfectly - as
per the instructions which caused the very illness or pain,
which is treatment resistant - only because the Mind instructs
it to be so.
Solve this as is Talking Cures specialty and the immune systems
start to work Automatically more efficiently at repairing or
replicating the body.
Thus there is But one answer.
Medications which appears to make things worse “Hyperalgesia.”
are in reality - if but only the person was educated in
accepting the simple premise above - doing the job it was
intended for, however the negative thought process driver will
always override this as the thoughts have not or are not being
resolved by the drugs or the clinician in conjunction with the
medication and make the medication into a irritant or Poison,
which has to be cleansed from the body, sadly; repeated
prescription only serve to make this impossible.
Therefore the person will automatically - and unwittingly - draw
on the Dormant Store of symptoms which although dormant - many
times confused with or called Side effects which they are most
certainly not -are highly active and secreting into the systems,
chemicals which would defy the most modern of man made machines
in analysing them.
I am also unable to find any therapy amongst those that do use
distant treating, able to treat a person with symptoms not a
list of symptoms which is a person, via the telephone or Skype.
Keep up the good work Steven many a mile back to Socrates time
left to travel yet.
Peter Smith Talking Cures
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